that wasn't my point, i know its not his physical self, but i was making a point to that guy for dissing two people that DIDN't have to go thru what they did, God, and Christ. God had to watch his son die, he did it on purpose, to save us, with his only son. I dunno about you, but i know that if it came down to anyone and my son or wife, i could never give them up. And in christs place, sacrificing myself wouldn't be easy either, sure, thousands died by crucifiction, but Jesus didn't HAVE TO, he chose to, that was my point, he could have called legions of angels to stop all of that, but he didn't he forgave even the ones who did it to him. I haven't lost sight of anything, i was using his physicality to make a point to the guy, because if you try to talk to a strict atheist with spirituality, they simply don't catch on, and you may not get them to ever, but i stated what i stated. and assuming that i have 'lost sight' is jumping to a conclusion, ask if you aren't sure about a statement i make, don't put words in my mouth.